Tuesday, April 26, 2011

Thoughts beget Heresy, Heresy begets brainstorm...

What the 41st Millennium has come to...

Now, I dont have the codex on me yet. I hope to rectify this soon, but for now, some brainstorming.

*Any Points values might be off my ten or so points but that doesn't matter at the moment*

I want to get the most out of this time though so I have taken the opportunity to review the interwebs and have combined it with the few hours of looking over the codex and army list and will do some Theory-hammering.

First lets see what we have to work with... And I don't want henchmen (see picture above)


Well, I guess one size fits all doesn't it? I can have my strike, purgy, intercepting, and purifying flavors. Right now though lets see what just 20pts can get you.

Its a simple marine, just with a storm bolter, a force weapon, and str 5 with Holocaust...

No big deal right? Wrong, This changes everything.

Why? Because a simple marine is used just to buy a razorback (sad but true) a Grey knight is there to pound some 24" hate into the enemy and then hit someone with his shiny beatstick. Now Games Workshop seems to finally understand something about codex design as Grey Knights come with the best heavy to support them, Psycannons. At 10 pts a pop these suckers are defiantly soul squishes. Str7 with rending is a beautiful piece of work and 2/4 shot if you move or not is just nice and flexible.

The best part, 5 dudes and one psycannon are 110pts. 10 are double at 220pts for just the basics. The ten man unit can pelt a target at 24inches with 16 storm bolter shots and 4/8 Psycannon rounds. Dear Goodness, what an awesome objective sitter. They are a huge Frak-Off unit and as I move along with my brainstorming you will defiantly see them all over the place.

A word about close combat though. Grey Knights are not a close combat army (I think the interwebs understands this now, I knew it just from my first glance). They ARE however a perfect bait and rush army. What does that mean? Well, in many ways the army is similar to a LoganWing. Logan wing armies have small squads that have a good moving heavy weapon (just like Grey Knights do) and while better in combat than most units tend to not want to go toe to toe with true close combat units. Instead, the loganwing (at least with my own experience) is all about shooting the enemy, limiting their mobility and isolating the close combat units, then throwing a number of small units into the enemy and tearing them down by weight of numbers.

Grey knights will be doing this as well, but have the advantage of being able to pound many shots into these scary units halfway across the board. And not only that but if you have a few units of 10 guys sitting around each other, well that gets pretty scary.

Some costs to put things in perspective,

5 Grey knights, one psycannon 110pts
5 wolf guard, one with Terminator armor, Cyclone missile launch, chain fist 150pts
10 Grey Knights, 2 psycannons 220pts
10 wolf guard, 2 in term armor w CML 270pts

Did I mention that Grey Knights can combat squad, think about how awesome they are as a foot army.

I feel right now that my first few Grey knight army ideas will begin to have a lot of my Logan wing feels to them, just one catch though. The Army works at 24" instead of 48" like a logan wing. What does that mean? well it means that the army has to aggressively push into midfield and then just pelt out shots, thank goodness we have a wonderful army book with units like Grey Knight Terminators and Interceptors to help seize the midfield and hold it for the strike squads.

I have work to get done so I will leave you with this but next I think I will get some ideas out of getting to the middle, creating an anchor there and holding out till the last turn when they grab and contest everything.

As usual thoughts are cool, I have 19 followers, at least one of them should have something to say ^_^

Saturday, April 23, 2011

Grrr...ey knights?

So last Friday I went down to my local store for a fun time and got to talking about the new Grey Knights.

Suffice to say I do not particularly like their play style.

Well my friend is starting Dark Eldar and has challenged me to build Grey Knights as a chance to "learn a new way to play" with him as he was playing Death Guard.

After a night of much ranting and raving I will be playing Grey knights as my next army.

This will be a fun challenge.

And I still wont take Cortez,

List is coming soon...

Wednesday, April 20, 2011

I should post something...should'nt I

So it has been forever since I posted something, thats a shame I have to say.

But I hope to write more as I get started with my Summer project,

Here's the catch though, I was going to do the Pre Heresy Thousand Sons, I love there background and all that and I have a cool paint scheme for them and everything. Then I saw the codex and everything changed..

Grimnar Angband's Grey Knight Review:

While I think they can be rather competitive, I have a few problems:

1) The model rang is limited. The entire army is going to look very repetitive with little difference at the competitive level. The model range is not that varied and I dont see the flavor of them.

2) I dont like Cortez. When a vast majority of Grey Knight armies have more henchmen then Grey Knights I just sigh.

3) The army functions at rate that in my opinion doesn't fit the Thousand Sons. It's a lot of relying on Psycannon to kill stuff, not the psychic powers that I see in the Horus Heresy.

And finally the one reason I chose not to play them...

4) I don't like the play style. If you have had a chance to look at the codex you will realize how they play, I dont have the time to write an entire codexs strategies. Just know that I am not having fun with them on the board, so there out.

Sad...But I hold no regrets.

Now for a new project...

I will be building an army over the summer for my future years at college so I have been looking over the requirements for what I want and need.

The Army Must be relatively inexpensive

The army Must fit in 1 army case (so little to no vehicles)

Must be competitive to a good degree

Must have fun modeling aspects

Must be able to last long without any great change in models

Must be fun and challenging on the tabletop

Here are the two options I have whittled down to.

Taking Elite to a new Level
I always liked this army, I've always liked Thunder Hammer/Storm Shields (since 4th edition when they sucked), and from what I gathered they wont be changing for a while and can give anyone a run for their money. I can have fun making Belial and tricking out the army and will have the flavor of an old school army.

Second option is...

Space Vikings are angry
I have been using my World Eaters to represent this army and I love the way this army plays. I could finally build it using the real models to play an army I already love. The downside, the army has a weird color scheme and it will be a couple of years before playing Spacewolves doesn't get me nasty looks. (why cant people just move on)

So What do you guys think? If you want to recommend something else as well I'm all ears. Dark Eldar might be a possibility if I can swing a deal an pick up 8-9 old fashion raiders and ravagers (and old incubi, I like them better than the new ones for some reason)